14thcommander: (deadpan.)
hellscape she-beast ([personal profile] 14thcommander) wrote in [personal profile] mothmansplaining 2020-04-14 12:00 am (UTC)

[This thread is dated to shortly after this conversation with Bill.

Hange is suspicious. She likes Bill but is hyperaware that the feeling is maybe not mutual, and that if Bill does have any liking or friendship for her, it might be overshadowed by being able to take advantage of a warden. Thus, a laundry list of questions for Ford, per our plurk discussion - his answers are indented!

Hange first tells Ford that she has a pocket dimension attached to her, but not what it does or exactly why she wants it gone.

► Does Ford in his professional opinion think the mindscape is the first and best place to start inspecting the pocket dimension attached to her?
Ford thinks that, yes, that is a good place to start. It is probably better than opening up the pocket dimension on the Barge so Bill can see it.
Hange absolutely does not want to open up the pocket dimension, so this is fine with her.

► Bill suggested Hange put him on her access filter - is Bill on FORD'S access filter? Can she crash in Ford's place and be at least loosely monitored while they do this?
Yes, Bill is on Ford's access filter. She can crash at his place, but unless he is asleep with her and connected to her mind somehow, he will not be able to see anything that goes on in the dream, only make sure her body stays safe, but would be willing to do the latter for sure, and the former only if she comes up with a way to link their minds.
Pending further information on the mindscape, Ford spotting externally is acceptable to Hange.

► Of course Hange has questions about the mindscape, especially given the information Ford gave her previously about Bill's ability to possess people. General queries go here.
What Ford would tell her is this: he would tell her that the dreamscape is not going to let Bill possess her or control her. However, he would advise her to check with Luke, because Bill had minor telepathy there in the 80s and Ford, since he has a dang plate in his head, doesn't know if Bill can currently do it, since Bill can't read his mind ever. Awake or asleep. If Bill doesn't have that telepathy, then get good at lucid dreaming, because sometimes Bill can poke around in your memories from your dreams. But you can keep him from seeing things if your mind is organized or alternatively very chaotic and hard to navigate. The safest way to do it is going to be to frame it as a deal. Bill does not have deal powers but he respects the terms of deals, like, psychologically. So, if you say you'll let Bill take a look at the dimension if and only if he respects your privacy, it'll work.
Check with Luke, learn about lucid dreaming, or write in respecting her privacy as part of the deal - Hange is building one currently, whoops. Got it, got it, good.

► Ford is this just a damn fucking horrible idea across the board? Should Hange pull the plug on this now?
As for the dimension itself, and the wisdom of showing it to Bill. Ford will tell Hange point blank that if Bill finds a way to use it himself, he'll do it. Bill will not use it to kill her people just because, or for funsies, he does not destroy worlds unilaterally anymore. And odds are her people are off his radar. He may not find a way to take advantage of it for his own gain! (bringing himself back to life, fucking up the admiral, getting to the Authority) But he'll be looking for one. So! It is a risk. But probably the risk to her world is low. And risk can be mitigated with agreements/deals/offering Bill things he wants more. Probably the most powerful leverage she has available to her as a warden is getting Bill his powers, or his job at the bar, back. Also: Bill has a ring in his eye-nventory that flashes when he consciously lies. Bill cannot currently access it, because Bill cannot get to his eye hole pocket, but in Ford's experience, it is reliable and can't be tampered with.
Hange has lots to think about here. She doesn't want to put the barge population at risk, or impede the function of the place - I don't think she'd tell Ford, but she'd probably decide that at least one initial examination was probably okay. Plus, if Hange were forced to tell the truth herself, the idea of doing this is pretty fascinating.

Would Ford have any questions for Hange?]

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